Building a Cheapo Hitbox-style Stickless Arcade Stick

I've been playing Street Fighter games for nearly 30 yrs (at the time of this writing), so you'd think even complex maneuvers would be long since committed to muscle memory. Instead, I frequently biff even basic moves and I find my piss-poor execution to be a significant impediment to my proficiency.

So, I decided to try out a "Hitbox"-style interface. Also known as a "stickless arcade stick", among other snappy names (for brevity, I'm just going to call them the generic "hitbox"), it's basically just a normal arcade control panel but instead of using the familiar joystick for directional inputs, it uses 4 buttons, one for each cardinal direction. These interfaces became popular a few years ago, as they make certain types of tricky inputs (for example, advanced movement tricks from many games, including "instant air-dashing", so-called "Korean backdashing" and more) essentially trivial to perform. As a Zangief-main, I was intrigued by the possibilities for consistent SPDs, as well as the opportunity to break a lot of bad joystick-handling habits I've developed over the years.

My first hitbox was just thrown together using a spare control panel I was experimenting with and some extra 30mm Sanwa OBSF buttons I had lying around. It works well enough, but most hitbox practitioners prefer using all 24mm buttons with one 30mm button in the middle as the 'jump' button that can be pressed with either thumb. These buttons are usually about $4+ per, and they're usually paired with a Brook Universal control board, and some people will also add an LED controller board, bringing the grand total to somewhere between $150 and $300.

I didn't feel like paying that much and decided to go cheap while I'm still learning, since I may give up on it at some point anyway (that is, I think it definitely helps with my execution, but at the cost of playing intuitively; it's just feels less natural, spontaneous and fun so far).

I went with a board from the "zero delay" family (since proven to be a misnomer; they add up to about a frame of latency in some cases) by SJ@JX that includes dedicated LED power lines and pre-wired .110 quick-disconnects for just under $20 and some cheap 24mm buttons with integrated LEDs that come in 5 colors (fun!).

Buttons first: similar to the expensive buttons from Gamerfinger, the EG Starts buttons have a mechanical keyboard switch, but this time with an Alps-style switch rather than Cherry-style. Contrary to comments on Amazon, they are not clicky and are instead linear and non-tactile. The comments are correct, though, that they have a much longer travel than Sanwa 24mm buttons, the actuation weight is heavier and the actuation point seems a bit farther down (I don't consider this a bad thing, necessarily, as Sanwas are annoyingly sensitive, in my opinion).

 

The integrated LEDs are not simply white LEDs that are tinted by the colored plastic housing as I had suspected. Instead they shine brightly in the actual color. The only thing to be aware of with them is that the LED +/- posts are connected directly to the 2 large solder pads (visible just above the switch in the image) and can easily be jarred loose by too much force. If this happens, there's not a whole lot that can be done about it, as far as I can tell, because when I tried to reflow the solder, it just sucked up off the pad entirely and wouldn't stick back down to the board, no matter how much flux I used. So just be careful and use a light touch.

Now for the board: it comes with a bunch of pre-terminated molex jumpers with Asian-style button-compatible .110 quick disconnects, though there's another model available for the same price that comes with .187 quick-disconnects for use with American-style buttons/switches. It has 3 different modes of operation: the default PC/PS3 mode, an "Android" mode and an xinput/"360 PC" mode (it specifically does not work with Xbox 360). Only the first mode would map in RetroArch, so that's what I stuck with.

The board comes with some sort of SOCD (simultaneous opposing cardinal directions) cleaning, but I get the feeling it may be inadvertent, as it doesn't really make any sense. Left+right=left and up+down=down. So, you could still do a few SOCD shenanigans, like instant-return-to-charge sonic booms from the P2 side, but nothing crazy and game-breaking. (for the record, ideal SOCD-cleaning is left+right=neutral and up+down=up, IIRC)

Unfortunately, the jumper/wires it comes with are wired in such a way that it is impossible to make the aforementioned buttons light up when you press them. Instead, they are lit all the time, which is fine if that's what you're going for, but if you want them to light on press, you have to cut the lines and splice the black lines with the yellow and vice versa.

 Once that's done, the wires should be connected like this:

In my case, I wanted all of the buttons to light up, but the board is only designed to light up the non-directional buttons, and if you have a light-up joystick, there's a separate power line and 5-pin Sanwa-style joystick interface that you can connect. It does have additional, separate directional input jumper jacks, but they are 2-pin (i.e., just signal and ground; missing the power pin entirely), while all of the jumper wires they provided have the 3-pin molex, so they won't even fit the directional jumper jack. My solution was to use male-to-female breadboard jumper wires to steal power from unused buttons (L3 and R3 in my case) and run a pair of jumper wires from each directional jack. The pins from my breadboard wires fit nicely into the molex holes. I did have to hot-glue them into place, though, to keep them from just falling out if you look at them funny.

That wasn't the end of my problems, though, unfortunately.

Most hitbox layouts cram the 24mm buttons very closely together, I guess to minimize how far your fingers need to move or something? I dunno. But in any event, the vinyl nuts that come with the threaded EG Starts buttons are much too large for the distance between the buttons, so I had to get creative with how I torqued them down.

After all that, everything seems to be working well. I wouldn't really recommend going this route as a serious thing, but if you just want to have some fun and save some money and don't mind getting your hands dirty, it seems to do the trick:

Update (11/17/2020): after using it for a while, the Zero-Delay board is a real problem. The SOCD cleaning is strange and the variable latency on inputs (testing puts it anywhere between just under a frame to more than 2 frames) causes a lot of inconsistency in execution. So, I switched to an Arduino Pro Micro running the fantastic DaemonBite program, which was a night-and-day difference, even for me (and I'm not a stickler for latency stuff).

 

The boards cost between $5 and $10 depending on how many you buy, so it's still a very low-cost option vs a Brook board. I was also able to pull enough juice for the LEDs from the Arduino's 5v line, so it was just a matter of duping that line out in parallel to the voltage input lines of the existing cables. I used the same breadboard-jumper-to-molex trick as before.

Retro Console RJ45 Pinouts - PS360+, MC-Cthulhu, Brook Retro Board

I build a lot of arcade sticks and I like to use them on old video game consoles, and the best way to do this is usually to get a control board that is compatible with multiple consoles. There have been a few boards that do this over the years, including Toodles' MC-Cthulhu (mostly discontinued but still available sporadically), Akishop Customs' PS360+ (discontinued) and now (at the time of this writing) Brook's Retro Board.

The preferred way to connect these boards to the consoles is via RJ45 connectors soldered to the board and then a console-specific connector soldered onto the other end of the cable. A few arcade parts stores sell premade cables for some of the more popular consoles at the time of this writing, but that will probably stop at some point, so it's good to know how to put these cables together.

There used to be a huge thread with really great tutorials on making these cables on the Shoryuken forums by user "rtdzign" but when SRK migrated to a different forum software a few years ago, it completely fucked up their post index so you can't get to things from google search results and I think the whole forum is shutting down completely soon, so all of this will be lost (most of it already is, really; I had to go sifting through the Wayback Machine's archives to collect most of this stuff).

Anyway, here goes (note: the pics in this post come from rtdzign's original tutorial on SRK and from Akishop Custom's PS360+ manual, with copyrights for those respective images belonging to them):

If you buy a MC-Cthulhu from somewhere, you may want to make sure you have the latest firmware. Toodles' "Godlike Controls" site has been down for a while, but the Wayback Machine cached the firmware file here.
Mirror

The ethernet connection pinout looks like this:

USB

The first cable you'll probably want to make is a regular USB cable (for PC and PS3). It's pretty simple - ground (pin 4 of the USB cable) goes to pin 1 of the ethernet cable, data+ (USB pin 3) goes to pin 5 of the ethernet cable, data- (USB pin 2) goes to ethernet pin 6 and VCC (USB pin 1) goes to ethernet pin 8.

Color - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
Black - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
---   - ---     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
---   - ---     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
---   - ---     - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
White - DATA-   - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
Green - DATA+   - 6        - E       - Green Solid
---   - ---     - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
Red   - VCC     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

Original Xbox

Once you've done USB, OG Xbox is a logical next choice, as it's just USB with a proprietary plug:


OG Xbox also has a yellow wire that is unused and can be ignored, but otherwise it's the same as the regular USB cable.

NOTE: in general, don't trust wire colors blindly. *Always* test continuity with a multimeter to confirm wire-to-pin assignment. Cheap, knockoff extension cables are notorious for using essentially random wire colors (including nonsense like red GNDs, black VCCs, etc.)

If your construction skills aren't great and you would rather buy something, I believe you could also just use a USB-female-to-Xbox-male adapter like this one (or build one) and get the same effect pairing it with your newly constructed RJ45-to-USB cable.

Once you've got the hang of it, the rest of the consoles are just a matter of matching up the gamepad pins with the ethernet wires.

Gamecube

Gamecube (not compatible with PS360+) only uses the first 3 pins of the controller, which makes it pretty easy: controller pin 1 is VCC, which goes to ethernet pin 8, controller pin 3 is GND, which goes to ethernet pin 1 and controller pin 2 is DATA, which goes to ethernet pin 7. Easy-peasy.

Here's the diagram:

GC Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1      - +5v     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
2      - DATA    - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
3      - Ground  - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe

And the same info in order of RJ45/Cthulhu pins:

GC Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
3      - Ground  - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
---    - ---     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
---    - ---     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
---    - ---     - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
---    - ---     - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---    - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
2      - DATA    - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
1      - +5v     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

N64

The Brook Retro Board has support for N64, and its pinout is very similar to the Gamecube's but in reverse order. That is, pin 1 is GND, pin 2 is Data and pin 3 is VCC (+3.3v).

N64 Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1       - Ground  - 8        - G       - Orange Stripe
2       - DATA    - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
3       - +3.3v   - 1        - V       - Brown Solid

And the same info in order of RJ45/Cthulhu pins:

N64 Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1       - Ground  - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
---     - ---     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
---     - ---     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
---     - ---     - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
---     - ---     - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---     - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
2       - DATA    - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
3       - +3.3v   - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

PS1 and PS2

PSX is another good one, since it covers both PS1 and PS2 and was considered the "standard" connector for sticks prior to the adoption of USB, so you can find PSX-to-whatever adapters fairly easily from companies like Raphnet. In fact, Akishop Customs recommends using a PSX cable with a PSX-to-Gamecube adapter to cover Gamecube and Wii inputs with PS360+ boards.

Note: the 'RUMBLE' pin carries 7.2v-9v for use by the rumble motors. We don't need to mess with it.

PSX Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1         DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
2         CMD     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
3         RUMBLE  - ---      - ---    
4         GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
5         +3.3v   - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
6         ATTN    - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
7         CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
8         UNUSED  - ---      - ---
9         ACK     - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe

and here's that same data shuffled around to use the order of the RJ45/Cthulhu pins, in case that is easier to understand:

PSX Pin - Purpose - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
4       - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
7       - CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
2       - CMD     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
1       - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
6       - ATTN    - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---     - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
9       - ACK     - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
5       - +3.3v   - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

NES and SNES

SNES / NES is another interesting case insofar as they use the same protocol, just with a different connector. Rather than making/storing/transporting 2 separate ethernet cables, I made one ethernet-to-SNES cable and use a self-made SNES-to-NES adapter for NES (also useful for using the more ergonomic SNES pad on an NES). I also have a cheap SNES-to-Wiimote-expansion adapter (this one from Hyperkin https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Controller-Adapter-Classic-super-nintendo/dp/B075RMYMNH) but neither my PS360+ nor my MC-Cthulhu work with my SNES Classic/Mini through it, so YMMV (worth noting: MC-Cthulhu and PS360+ don't work with my Analogue Super Nt using the normal SNES cable, either, though they both work with an actual SNES console, so clearly something fucky is going on that probably won't ever be resolved for either of the essentially dead products). I haven't tried either of them running through a Wiimote's Bluetooth connection (to, for example, use an arcade stick wirelessly with emulators on a softmodded Wii), so if you try that, please let me know your results in the comments.

To be verbose, here are both the NES and SNES pinouts and pics, respectively (the "unused" pins are reserved for special controllers and serve no purpose for us):

NES

NES pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1       - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
2       - CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
3       - LATCH   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
4       - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
5       - UNUSED  - ---      - ---     - ---
6       - UNUSED  - ---      - ---     - ---
7       - VCC     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

And here it is sorted by RJ45 pin:

NES pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1       - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
2       - CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
5       - UNUSED  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
4       - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
6       - UNUSED  - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---     - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
3       - LATCH   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
7       - VCC     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

SNES

SNES pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1        - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
2        - UNUSED  - ---      - ---     - ---
3        - UNUSED  - ---      - ---     - ---
4        - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
5        - LATCH   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
6        - CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
7        - +5v     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

And sorted by RJ45 pin:

SNES pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1        - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
6        - CLK     - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
2        - UNUSED  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
4        - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
3        - UNUSED  - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---      - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
5        - LATCH   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
7        - +5v     - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

TurboGrafx-16 / PC-Engine

TG16/PCE is kinda weird insofar as it has 2 functions on each pin (e.g. D-pad up and the I button) and then it uses the DATA SELECT pin to select which set of functions to poll.

I don't have a TG16/PCE, but from rtdzign:

The American TurboGrafx-16 uses has a female Din 8 port on the system while the Turbo Duo and all the Japanese systems use a Mini Din 8. I recommend that you buy a number of 6 ft monoprice Mini Din 8 cables. For an TG-16 you can buy a male Din 8 connector and solder that to an ethernet cable.

And here's the diagram sorted by DIN pin:

DIN Pin  - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1 +5v    - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
2 UP/I   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
3 RT/II  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
4 DN/Sel - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
5 LF/Run - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
6 SELECT - 6        - E       - Green Solid
7 OE     - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
8 GND    - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe

And sorted by RJ45 pin:

DIN Pin  - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
8 GND    - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
2 UP/I   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
3 RT/II  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
4 DN/Sel - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
7 OE     - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
6 SELECT - 6        - E       - Green Solid
5 LF/Run - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
1 +5v    - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

Saturn

Saturn pads have voltage lines running in and out of the gamepad. When you see diagrams online, they are typically named according to the console's perspective, rather than the controller's, so keep in mind that these names are basically backward.

Sorted by Saturn pin:

Sat Pin   - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1 +5v-OUT - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
2 DATA1   - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
3 DATA0   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
4 SELECT0 - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
5 SELECT1 - 6        - E       - Green Solid
6 +5v-IN  - ---      - ---     - ---
7 DATA3   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
8 DATA2   - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
9 GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe

Sorted by RJ45 pin:

Sat Pin   - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
9 GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
3 DATA0   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
2 DATA1   - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
8 DATA2   - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
4 SELECT0 - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
5 SELECT1 - 6        - E       - Green Solid
7 DATA3   - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
1 +5v-OUT - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

3DO

3DO pads have headphone jacks on them, so 2 of the pins are dedicated to carrying audio signals, and there's a second VCC line. I would assume you can use either of them but haven't tested it, since I don't have a 3DO. Neither did rtdzign, it seems, as here's what he had to say about it:

(I don't have a 3DO and am assuming the D-sub follows normal pinout convention Picture is from a 3rd party genesis extension cable.)

3do will currently only work as the only controller, plugged directly into the system; trying to daisy chain off of it or use it through a daisy chain isn't going to work.

Here's the diagram sorted by Dsub pin:

Dsub Pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1        - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
2        - VCC+5v  - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
3        - AUDIO1  - ---      - ---
4        - AUDIO2  - ---      - ---
5        - VCC+5v  - ---      - ---
6        - P/S     - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
7        - CLOCK   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
8        - GND     - ---      - ---
9        - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid

And sorted by RJ45:

Dsub Pin - Purpose - RJ45 pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1        - GND     - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
7        - CLOCK   - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
---      - ---     - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
9        - DATA    - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
---      - ---     - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---      - ---     - 6        - E       - Green Solid
6        - P/S     - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
2        - VCC+5v  - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

Dreamcast

No VMU support and only works with games that can be played solely with an arcade stick. (update 8/4/23): Someone in the comments reported that the original pic was wrong, so here's a corrected pic:

 The diagram was always correct:

Here's the diagram sorted by DC pin:

DC Pin   - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
1 DATA1  - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
2 VCC+5v - 8        - V       - Brown Solid
3 GND    - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
4 SENSE  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
5 DATA5  - 4        - C       - Blue Solid

And sorted by RJ45 pin:

DC Pin   - RJ45 Pin - Cthulhu - ETH Color
3 GND    - 1        - G       - Orange Stripe
---      - 2        - A       - Orange Solid
4 SENSE  - 3        - B       - Green Stripe
5 DATA5  - 4        - C       - Blue Solid
---      - 5        - D       - Blue Stripe
---      - 6        - E       - Green Solid
1 DATA1  - 7        - F       - Brown Stripe
2 VCC+5v - 8        - V       - Brown Solid

Sega Genesis / Mega Drive

None of these boards work with Genesis / MD because it does its own crazy thing that's very difficult to reproduce without spending a ton of money on dedicated parts. The best thing to do for these is to padhack a crappy 6-button pad, which can be purchased online for peanuts. See my post here for a look at that process.

MC-Cthulhu Secondary Solder Point Pinout

The Cthulhu boards include a double-row of unlabeled solder points on the side of the board opposite the RJ45 solder points. These are intended for attaching a 360 padhack for adding 360 support, but they're just additional hard-lines tied to the screw-terminals, so they can technically be used to add any additional PCB, so long as you tie the VCC and Grounds together.

Since they're unlabeled, it can be a hassle to use them, but you can easily identify by testing continuity between the solder points and the screw-terms. Nevertheless, I'll include the pinout here to make it easier (the labeling scheme assumes right-alignment; that is, H and 9 are on the far right, lined up, while A and 1 are staggered on the left side):

    [A] [B] [C] [D] [E] [F] [G] [H]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]

A = VCC
B = Down
C = Ground
D = Select
E = Right
F = 3K ('Roundhouse' in Street Fighter nomenclature)
G = 3P (Fierce)
H = 1P (Jab)

1 = Up
2 = 4P (PPP)
3 = Left
4 = 4K (KKK)
5 = Start
6 = 2K (Forward)
7 = 1K (Short)
8 = 2P (Strong)
9 = Home/Guide

And, just because I keep needing it and don't feel like searching for it every time, here's a copy of the MC-Cthulhu pinout:

Padhacking a Terrible Genesis 6-button Controller

I recently got a model 1 Sega Genesis and an Everdrive MD and have been playing a lot of the great shmups and arcade ports. The standard 3-button pads are not great, period, but they're especially crummy for those sorts of games (Street Fighter is basically impossible), so I figured I'd seek out some 6-button pads.

Legit 6-button pads from Sega are quite nice, but they're getting more expensive these days (like everything retro, amirite?), so I decided to check out some of the cheap knockoffs. The cheapest ones I could find were going for $8 for 2 pads on eBay and, while I expected them to be shitty, they're worse than I ever imagined:

The Fighting Putt 6B packaging. Both pads I received looked as if they'd been sat upon.

The buttons are so loose I was worried they would fall right out of the cheap plastic casing. The controllers themselves weigh almost nothing and their cord is a measly 3 feet long. The funniest quirk, IMO, is that they only used 4 screws to connect the housing instead of the 5 Sega used, but they put in a fake plastic screw just to keep up appearances:

Very clever, guys. Nobody suspects a thing.

Between the laughably short cord and the awful buttons, I decided to check out the PCB to see if it might be worth putting into an arcade stick (I already have a PS360+ multi-console board, which covers every console I care about except the Genesis/MD, so this would be useful). It turns out that the PCB is actually really great for this purpose, with a common-ground design and nice, big soldering pads for each input:

Here's a shot with wires soldered onto the pads:

And here's one with the solder joints smothered in hot glue for long-term stability:

I hooked it into an existing stick I had lying around and everything works perfectly. After the price of an extension cable, I'm still looking at sub-$10, so not too bad. I wouldn't recommend the Fighting Putt 6Bs for general use, but they're great for padhacking.